Ep81: Orgasm, Epilepsy, & Mystical Experience - Shinzen Young & Chelsey Fasano 3

In this episode I host part 3 of a dialogue between Shinzen Young, meditation teacher and neuroscience research consultant, and Chelsey Fasano, a Columbia University neuroscience student.

We discuss oneness vs emptiness experiences, gamma brain activity and binding, Posner’s model of attention networks, and more.

Chelsey explores the surprising similarities between mystical experience, epilepsy, and orgasm; while Shinzen reveals the profound challenge of integrating esoteric states into practical life. 

Audio version of this podcast also available on iTunes and Stitcher – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’.


Topics Include:

0:00 – Intro 
1:28 – A model for the process of change that contemplative practice causes
3:07 – Chelsey’s epiphany about gamma and theta in advanced meditators 
7:31 – Oneness vs emptiness as meditation experiences 
10:36 – Reduction in suffering as increase in nervous system processing efficiency 
23:01 – Integration and annihilation, and flow causing integration 
28:06 – Gamma binding and the weakness of today’s meditation studies 35:54 – Hypothesising about gamma and binding 
41:05 – Attention studies and gamma binding
52:03 – Posner’s model of attentional networks 
1:00:26 – Limitations of current neuroimaging technologies
1:02:47 – Further hypothesising about gamma and binding 
1:06:42 – Orgasm, epilepsy, and mystical experience 
1:17:10 – The enormous challenge of integrating esoteric states into practical life 
1:19:45 – When integration of the esoteric goes wrong 
1:22:38 – Dr Jay Sanguinetti and part 4 cliffhanger 


Previous episodes with Shinzen and Chelsey:

Previous Interview with Shinzen Young:

To find out more about Shinzen, visit:

  • www.shinzen.org

To find out more about Chelsey, visit:

  • www.chelseyfasano.com

Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James

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