Ep118: Zen & the Crucible - Henry Shukman 3

In this episode I am once again joined by Henry Shukman, award-winning poet, Zen teacher, and author of ‘One Blade of Grass; a Zen memoir’. 

In this interview Henry discusses the dangers of early spiritual openings, reflects on personality changes after awakening, and questions the complexifying of enlightenment in such activities as the yogas of dream and sleep.

Henry also shares his own journey rediscovering the power of community as crucible, how to navigate religious trauma, and offers his thoughts on a viable formula for Zen in America.


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Topics include:

00:00 – Intro
01:43 – What’s it all about?
05:29 – Early openings can cause trouble 
11:24 – Self as a seed 
15:54 – What happens to the self after awakening? 
20:31 – Personality changes after awakening 
27:14 – Zen and sleep yoga 
31:06 – Complexifying enlightenment
34:32 – Nondual experience can assist trauma resolution 
36:26 – Community and wearing down the sharp edges 
41:00 – The lone wolf finds a guide 
45:29 – Navigating sangha after religious trauma 
49:48 – The negative influence of power on religious leaders 
50:50 – A plausible formula for Zen community  
53:23 – Henry’s zen is not religious 
56:05 – The Sambo Zen lifestyle 


Previous episode with Henry Shukman:

To find out more about Henry Shukman, visit:

  • https://www.mountaincloud.org/about/henry-shukman/


Published books by Henry Shukman:


Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James

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